As per The Basketball Hall of Fame: who gets in from today's players in the NBA's Eastern Conference? - same rules apply!
Kobe Bryant - One of the true greats. It's a pity so many find him so polarizing, because they're missing out on one of the historically great basketballers ever, hamstrung by their own small-mindedness.
Steve Nash - One of the best shooters to ever play the game... never mind the distribution skills!
Tim Duncan - A player for the ages. History will remember Tim Duncan fondly.
Jason Kidd - Incredible durability paired with near-unmatchable point guard skills and leadership.
Dirk Nowitzki - Dirk's come so far. From being considered as a perennial choker to being the undeniable man in the NBA Finals - verily against two of the best players in the NBA. A clear choice.
Pau Gasol - As with Dirk, when you consider what he's done both internationally and in Europe, the guy is one of the best big men to play in this generation.
Questions still exist on the following...
Kevin Durant - At this point in time, I'm going with nuh-uh. Durant has enormous potential, and his Thunder could well be one of the powerhouses of Western Conference basketball. But to this point in time there's just not enough on his resume in a league that's more star-studded than a Gaga costume. Poignant tho', that at this point in time we're even considering him. Greg Oden is on the verge of becoming a cautionary tale... I wonder how often Portland wonder "what if?"
Marcus Camby - Actually closer than a lot of people are going to give him credit for. We all know his NBA career, but he had a better HS career than most NBA players, and College? He is second all-time in total blocked shots at the University of Massachusetts and the fourth-ever college player to have at least 300 total career blocked shots (336). In the '95/96 season, he was generally accepted as the best player in college hoops - winning the John R. Wooden Award and the Naismith College Player of the Year. In the NCAA tourney that year - he broke records with 43 blocks in 11 games. There was a bit of infamy involved that year too - Camby accepted cash from sports agents, and the UMass Final Four was nullified. Regardless, the guy was an amazing college player.
It's a near thing, but I'm gonna go with yes.
Deron Williams - It's difficult, but at this point in time I don't think D-Will's done enough to warrant inclusion... tho' I think by the time all's said and done, he'll most likely achieve enough to come close. But for now: no.
Ron Artest - I think the possibly-soon-to-be-Metta-World-Peace is one of the more intriguing nominations here. If you take away *who* he is, then he has the resume. One of the best defenders of our generation: an intimidating, lock-down defensive presence who could score as well. However, *who* he is and *who* he has been absolutely must be addressed too. But who is he? Is he the absolute menace who was moved from team-to-team, the centerpiece of the worst night in the history of the NBA? Or the guy who seems genuinely repentant for his past misdeeds, a spokesperson for mental health that recently won the J. Walter Kennedy Citizen Award.
I'm going against what I expect to be the grain, and I'm gonna say "yes". I think the distance he's traveled is amazing, and the guy deserves recognition.
Vince Carter - His dunk over Frederic Weiss deserves to be in the Hall, but Vince doesn't. No.
Grant Hill - A well-known and outstanding college career saves the guy - one of the best college defenders of this generation. There was a time where he was expected to be the next Jordan... before a series of soul-crushing injuries turned him into merely a 'good player'. Yes.
Tony Parker - 3 time NBA champion, Finals MVP and a European player of the Year. It's a near thing, but the guy's in.
Manu Ginobli - Manu's achievements internationally, in Europe and in the NBA make this one of the easier choices: yes.
Shawn Marion - Umm... guy was only ever the 3rd wheel on good teams. No.
Peja Stojaković - His NBA career doesn't hold up to HoF standards, but his international and European credentials do. 3 times European Player of the Year? Yes.
Chris Paul - It was recently pointed out to me that nearly every NBA player was a superhero in high school. This is true, but Chris Paul? As a senior - 30.8 points, 9.5 assists, 5.9 rebounds, and 6.0 steals per game. That, is insane. He dominated and now holds nearly every offensive category record at Wake Forest, and has had a stellar NBA career matched with some phenomenal play internationally. In.
I wouldn't put Pau gasol as a lock for HOF. He does not have the career stats to warrant it. He spent most of his career carrying a mediocre memphis Grizzlies team to the playoffs. he's not even a franchise player. HoFers are for those that have made a mark or changed the game. he has not done such a thing.
@slapdoghoops Sheesh JT, not you too!
Dude, I think you need to explore other international players that have made the HoF. Then you need to explore what Pau's done. Because his resume is easily good enough.
Good God. How can you NOT have Vince Carter on this list? He is 35th All-Time in Career Scoring, and only one player has more points than he, could be in the Hall and ain't (and we all know Reggie Miller will get in in the next year or two). And if you're willing to give international credit to Paul, why not to Carter? He was the leading scorer on a USA Olympic team that went undefeated (yeah, they almost lost to Lithuania, but they didn't). With regard to Camby and World Peace, I'd wait to give them the nod until we see if Mourning or Mutombo get in. Also disagree with you about Manu and Peja getting in...you can't let them in while keeping Carter out. And I'm a Lakers fan, but I think we can't say that Pau Gasol is in a league with Kidd, Nash, Nowitzki, and Duncan. He's lean HOF, not lock HOF. Once again, too much shooting from the hip, not enough stats or precedent.
@CharlesBennett Are you au fait to the reality that the international game and college count? "not enough stats or precedent."? Chuck... c'mon man - you blabber continually about "stats", yet you've OBVIOUSLY not looked at Gasol: CHECK OUT HIS STATS MAN!
Please Chuck, realize one thing: this is not the NBA Hall of Fame.
@WithMalice Apparently you're not either...you seemed to forget that Carter carried the 2000 Olympic team. And I didn't say Pau shouldn't be HOF...I said you shouldn't put him in a class with Jason Kidd and five MVPs. Those guys have multiple First Team All-NBA nods. Pau has none, and one Second Team nod.
Lack of comments would indicate that your piece isn't worth commenting on. If it's a good piece you'll hear it.
Ray Allen will be judged against the hall's entry criteria and not against 3 guys who bring very different things to the hardwood than him. And unlike you, we know that he got game!
Kid, I've had pieces put up, discussed, and focused on by SI.com, ESPN, NBA.com, Deadspin. I've been involved in interviews with Charles Barkley and Chris Webber ... amongst others. You really want to get into a pissing game?
It's BLEACHER REPORT you moron! ANYONE can write there!!! Hell, I bet you I could put my 4 year old's name on something - and it'd get published!
It's infamous for putting out S.H.I.T.
There ARE some decent pieces there from time to time, but it's like pulling pearls from pigswill.
Come back when you've got game Chuck.
@brumbygg@WithMalice : It would indicate that no one disagrees with me; unlike this pulled-out-of-the-ass piece where people clearly do. And why is THIS site preferable to Bleacher Report? More people read Bleacher Report; the process is more exclusive. This blog is just a couple of guys pulling stuff out of their gut; BR is the 4th most read sports blog in the world. You mentioned Paul on both sides of the argument BTW...so you're welcome. And Ray Allen is NOT in a league with Garnett, Duncan and Nowitzki. Period
@CharlesBennett@WithMalice And how many comments Chucky? I went over to BR (still can't wash the stench of that one away) and checked out your piece. BTW - noticed that you had amended your stats on Ray Allen - you're welcome! That you can have for free, but next time do your research. Then I went back to see if anyone had commented..... and none, nada, zilch. A good piece garners further discussion....
Did you even take a look at Pau's Euroleague and international career? If you did, then the FACTS and the STATS that you so commonly throw out there as being all-important would tell you that the guy is a lock for the hall.
Predictions on Durant, Paul etc... are gut feelings because they don't have the international body of work that guys like Paul and Peja or the longevity.
@WithMalice My position on Gasol as stated above was "lean HOF"...it's like Gasol's Virginia in the 2008 presidential election, and Duncan's Massachusetts (bet that metaphor went over your head). I'm 22. How many reads has this article gotten anyway? My Current NBA Players' HOF chances article on B/R has gotten over 200 reads, and not a single criticism yet, because I BASE MY ARTICLES ON FACTS and don't pull HOF predictions out of my gut like you do. I notice you guys are too ashamed to post the number of reads this has gotten...probably because it's very low
@CharlesBennett Hahahaha... Chuck! Vinsanity had a nice dunk in the Olympics over Freddie Weiss, but to state that he "carried the team" is INCREDIBLY duplicitous.
And really? Now you're flipping on Gasol. Sheesh man, we're stating whether Gasol is going to get in the HoF or not.
You apparently need this spelling out again: look at Gasol's international accolades.
Lemme guess: you're 17 years old, right?