Another Jeff-Fox-of-Hoops-Manifesto generated discussion... of these recently retired NBA players, who should get in the Basketball Hall of Fame?
As per the previous two, there are those considered locks, and those considered "toss ups".
Allen Iverson - In my honest opinion, perhaps the best "small man" to ever play the game. Easily a first ballot candidate.
Shaquille O'Neal - Covered here...
Gary Payton - A beast of a point guard. Helluva defender, and greatest remembered for being half of the Sonic Boom.
Chris Webber - C-Webb at one point was the best 4 playing the game. And when you include his HS (National HS Player of the Year), and somewhat-infamy-laden college career, then C-Webb's an easy inclusion into the Hall. Yes.
Alonzo Mourning - Zo... I'd like to think that he'll get into the Hall of Fame - it could be a close call, but I think his resume's good enough. Guy was sheer testament to willpower.
Sidenote: as a high school senior, Zo averaged 25 points, 15 rebounds and 12 blocks a game. That, is insane.
Yao Ming - This is easy. If you consider the impact Yao Ming has had on global basketball, then he's in. Yes.
Steve Francis - Stevie Franchise certainly has his fans, and he definitely had a lot of flash... but I don't see much substance to his career. Good player, but no.
Sam Cassell - Again, a guy with some flair and interest... but despite having a knack for being in the right place at the right time, no. Simply not good enough to be a Hall of Fame member.
Stephon Marbury - If anyone could challenge Ron Artest as being the craziest player to have every graced the NBA hardwood, it's Starbury. Certainly made headlines in his time, and is one of the more philanthropic players the NBA's seen... but I can't see him in the Hall of Fame.
Dikembe Mutombo - Speaking of philanthropy, Mutombo. A great man, but a Hall of Famer? Hell yes. Anyone who wins the DPoY 4 times should be in (note that on Ben Wallace!). To any who disagree: you get the finger-wag.
Rasheed Wallace - The heart and soul of the Detroit resurgence. As Sheed went, so'd the Pistons. As a Lakers fan, I hated LA playing against him - but the guy was a warrior, and I still believe he deserves the HoF status that I have the other Pistons getting. Yes.
Anfernee Hardaway - Hell, I could honestly flip either way on Penny, but at the moment I'm feeling "no".
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@slapdoghoops JT... man... come on. You need to stop looking merely at NBA. And even then: AI's a shoe-in - he has an MVP. EVERY MVP is in the HoF. Dikembe Mutombo is an easy in. 4x DPoY. Gary Payton: easy. Zo'll be in. And of course Yao Ming. C-Webb? Most likely...
Sheed's a near thing.
Neither Iverson nor Mutombo won anyything during their tenures in the NBA. Iverson is known more for being a team parriah, a ball hogg, and a coaches' nightmare. GP is far too overrated. He was not that great a defender, but more of a cherry picker. MJ and the Bulls proved how much a fraud he really was. Alonzo Mourning only won atitle when his career was all but over. Yao Ming will make the HOF, but not because of his playing, but more for his ethnicity--which I find insulting. C-Webb has not won anything either and he wasn't really much of a game changer. All the players you have mentioned were decent, but were not people who revolutionized the game--something that should be pre-requisite on becoming a Hall of famer.
Why Kemp? Cuz he was an innovator. He electrified the crowd and was one of the first NBA players to come out of highschool before it became the norm. Drugs and that 1998 lockout messed him up, but there was no other player that electrified such as Shawn Kemp. In his prime, he was one of the best power forwards in the league.
As for Shrempf, he was one of the best, if not, the best sixth man in NBA history. Whilst playing for the Pacers, the man was literally able able to step in and sub all five position and did so very well. He also led the European invasion of the NBA. The guy set the trail for Dirk Nowitzki, Pau Gasol, Boris Diaw, you name it.
@slapdoghoops No probs. And I disagree: no way on earth do the Pistons win the 04 title without Sheed. He was considered the key acquisition at the beginning of that season, the piece that put them over the top. And he defended Shaq better than anyone else on that team.
There is no way describing him as a "role player" is accurate.
And hold on a sec... you castigated me for having guys who haven't achieved much. Sure, Kemp - in my opinion - is a worthy candidate... but the guy has 3x All NBA second team awards, and that's it. 4 NBA teams, played O/S when he couldn't get a gig in the NBA... sounds exactly like the kinda guy you've been preaching against!
Kukoc - sure.
Divac - Agreed.
Detlef Schrempf - probably not.
Oops my bad. I thought there were on top. I think Detroit still would have won the NBA Finals as the team had Mehmet Okur, Ben Wallace, Rip Hamilton, Chauncey Billups, Tayshaun Prince among others. Rasheed helped them greatly, but he was at best a role player on that team--not exactly HOF worthy. In terms of HOF, I would have put David Robinson (if he's not already in it), Toni Kukoc, Valde Divac, Detlef Shrempf, even Shawn Kemp among others. They were originators and innovators of the game--not the guys that you chose
@slapdoghoops Ouch! Sorry if it came across that way man - not intended!
And Steve Francis has a cross below his name - that's a "no"...
You're selling Sheed short. He was one of the primary reasons Detroit was an "extremely good team..."
Wow, somebody's a little snippy. To continue on, you have Steve Francis being Hall of Fame material too? What's your logic with that? It's certainly not because of his accompluishments in the NBA. Rasheed Wallace was just a good player on an extremely good team. With all his size and athleticism, he chose just to slink around the perimeter--such a waste.
JT, "...in my book..." has absolutely no relevance. Not unless you've voting.
And if the Hall selection committee went by the same standards as you've set, the membership would be about 20-strong. There are ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY ONE players in the HoF. 90 of them played in the NBA...
I think you really need to take a closer look at the reality of *entry*...
Yeah, but did AI win any championships/ No!! And in my book, to be a HOFer, it has to be someone that literally revolutionized the game. he has to be someone who had stood apart from the rest. iverson never did that. the only things that stood him above the rest was his petulant attitude towards his coaches and his poor chemistry w/ his teammates. And u r making a big deal with Dikembe Mutombo winning 4 Dpoys, PLEASE. Did any of those bring him a championship? No. And with all the talk of GP being a defensive stalwart, he was never that great of an on the ball defender as MJ and his Bulls proved.
@slapdoghoops JT... you need to look at who's in the HoF, and understand the parameters. Never won ANYTHING? Really? Iverson won an MVP. Which just about guarantees him entry. He's a lock. Every player who has won an MVP is in the HoF. Mutombo won 4 DPoYs. That's pretty much going to make him a lock too.
And you focus way to much on what they did ONLY in the NBA. It's a basketball Hall man.
And dude... really? You're gonna castigate someone because of what Michael Jordan did to them? Hell, I guess there should only be Bulls from the 90s in the Hall then.